Mordvins

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Mordvins

Postby Galloglaich » Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:42 pm

Mordvin's. These are West-Asian people of Caucasian ancestry, who live in the South Ural mountains zones of what is now Russia and Ukraine. They are related to the Finns and Estonians. In the past they were part of the Mongol horde, though probably not voluntarily. They are sometimes called "Finn's of the Steppe".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordvins

Many of them were also enslaved by the Mongols and the Ottomans, for centuries. They were pagan until the 16th Century when they began to be converted to Christian Orthodoxy by the Russians. But they still apparently had a lot of pagans in the 19th Century, their gods were named Paas and Shkai.

Looking at their costumes gives you a little insight into maybe what the Scythians might have actually looked like.


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Not surprisingly they seem happier today than they did in the 19th Century when the Ottomans etc. were still preying upon them

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Like the Kurds, Czechs and some other ethnic groups, they typically had strong women military leaders, a legacy perhaps of their late pagan culture. One example of a female Mordvin rebel leader (ataman) was this woman named Alyona, who was killed by the Russians in the 17th Century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alyona
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Re: Mordvins

Postby Galloglaich » Sat Jan 21, 2017 12:09 am

Golden hat. These are from Europe in the Bronze Age. This is where the notion of pointy wizard hats comes from (ala Gandalf)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_hat

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The hats are naturally, calendars

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And some associated Bronze Age artifacts

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Hat_of_Schifferstadt

A smaller one

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These are made by the people depicted as basically cave men by the media...
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Re: Mordvins

Postby Thaeris » Thu Jan 26, 2017 5:57 pm

I'd say the most impressive Scythian artifact I've seen can be found on the Wikipedia entry for the people:

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians

Regardless of who made the piece, either the Greeks or the Scythians themselves, it's amazingly detailed. It's also amazingly brutal - there could totally be a metal song about horses being ravaged by griffons in the 4th century, BC.

As per the depictions of ancient man being unbelievably primitive, my favorite examples come from this article:

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/03/ ... age-battle

^Here you have men armed with some older technology arms, like flint weapons, but then you also have them armed with bronze swords and spears - the latter require good command over knowledge of metallurgy, forging, casting, etc. The artist's rendering basically suggests they barely knew what clothes were. Perhaps they're extras for a Conan movie?

Here's a neat research article for the same battle, if you don't mind the threadjacking:

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... rn_Germany
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Re: Mordvins

Postby Galloglaich » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:26 pm

I read about that battle a bit, fascinating stuff! Bronze Age far stranger and more interesting in this area than we ever thought
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