Naginata

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Naginata

Postby drkguy3107 » Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:25 pm

I don't think naginata's should have any grapple bonus, as I don't think they were ever used that way.

This is based on several videos I found on youtube, none of which show any kind of grapple, plus the shallow curve of the blade makes it seem impossible to really snag someone
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Re: Naginata

Postby Galloglaich » Thu Jul 14, 2011 3:42 pm

The thing is, the modern sport associated with the Naginata is not the same weapon or the same techniques as when they were used for real. Any more than Kendo represents real Samurai techniques with a Katana or Tachi. When you look at older ones the curve is much more pronounced and period documents specifically mention them being used to pull riders off of horses. Like the ones in the painting I included in the Codex, being used by Mongols.

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Re: Naginata

Postby drkguy3107 » Thu Jul 14, 2011 6:00 pm

Can you link me some of those pictures or sources?
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Re: Naginata

Postby Galloglaich » Mon Jul 18, 2011 1:26 pm

I'm a little swamped right now but give me some time I'll if I can find you some stuff.

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Re: Naginata

Postby Galloglaich » Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:01 pm

Ok sorry it took me a year and a half to get to this but better late than never, right?

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Re: Naginata

Postby drkguy3107 » Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:30 am

Doesn't seem like much of a hook for grapple.
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Re: Naginata

Postby Galloglaich » Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:27 pm

This is basically what I was going on:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naginatajutsu#History

"In the early history of its use, the naginata was primarily used against cavalry, as its length kept the wielder a safe distance from horses and their riders. During the Tokugawa period (1603–1868), the naginata was transformed into a symbol of status for female samurai, as well as being the primary means for a woman to defend her home while her husband was away at war"

My Naginata is meant to be this earlier battlefield version rather than the later more formalized civilian version specialized for women which seems to be a bit less dramatically hooked.

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Re: Naginata

Postby drkguy3107 » Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:14 pm

In early japanese history the lower leg and knee where unarmored, also japanese horse's never wore barding, thus a long ranged slashing weapon is very anti-cavalry. But I don't see any proof that early ones had enough of a curve to grab someone, even the images you showed.

The curved tip would aid in the power of a cut using just a short motion I would assume, but I have never heard or seen any proof of a hooking action.
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Re: Naginata

Postby Galloglaich » Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:51 pm

Are you sure about the barding? Because the Mongols used it (mostly of leather).

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Re: Naginata

Postby Galloglaich » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:08 pm

But maybe you are right, I have very little data on the Japanese stuff. Which is frustrating because I know 4 or 5 guys who are serious, high-level practitioners of Japanese martial arts that involve weapons, but they don't ever seem to be able to tell me anything useful.

I'll look through the books I have and see if I can find anything more concrete.

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